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Plato, Apology, 37d mid-38b
[37d]καλὸς οὖν ἄν μοι ὁ βίος εἴη ἐξελθόντι τηλικῷδε ἀνθρώπῳ ἄλλην ἐξ ἄλλης πόλεως ἀμειβομένῳ καὶ ἐξελαυνομένῳ ζῆν. εὖ γὰρ οἶδ᾽ ὅτι ὅποι ἂν ἔλθω, λέγοντος ἐμοῦ ἀκροάσονται οἱ νέοι ὥσπερ ἐνθάδε: κἂν μὲν τούτους ἀπελαύνω, οὗτοί με αὐτοὶ ἐξελῶσι πείθοντες τοὺς πρεσβυτέρους:
So my life would be fine for me going away, a man at my time of life, to live exchanging one for another city and being driven out. For I know well that wherever I might go, the young me will listen to me speaking just like here, and if I drive them away, they themselves, persuading the elders, will drive me out:
[37ε] ἐὰν δὲ μὴ ἀπελαύνω, οἱ τούτων πατέρες δὲ καὶ οἰκεῖοι δι᾽ αὐτοὺς τούτους.
ἴσως οὖν ἄν τις εἴποι: ‘σιγῶν δὲ καὶ ἡσυχίαν ἄγων, ὦ Σώκρατες, οὐχ οἷός τ᾽ ἔσῃ ἡμῖν ἐξελθὼν ζῆν;’ τουτὶ δή ἐστι πάντων χαλεπώτατον πεῖσαί τινας ὑμῶν. ἐάντε γὰρ λέγω ὅτι τῷ θεῷ ἀπειθεῖν τοῦτ᾽ ἐστὶν καὶ διὰ τοῦτ᾽ ἀδύνατον
but if I should not drive them away, their fathers and relatives because of them these things [will do].
So perhaps someone might say: "But keeping silent and leading a quiet [life], O Socrates, are you not able to live, after going away from us?" Indeed this of all things is the hardest to persuade some of you [of]. For if I were to say that this is disobedience to the god and because of this [I am] unable
[38α] ἡσυχίαν ἄγειν, οὐ πείσεσθέ μοι ὡς εἰρωνευομένῳ: ἐάντ᾽ αὖ λέγω ὅτι καὶ τυγχάνει μέγιστον ἀγαθὸν ὂν ἀνθρώπῳ τοῦτο, ἑκάστης ἡμέρας περὶ ἀρετῆς τοὺς λόγους ποιεῖσθαι καὶ τῶν ἄλλων περὶ ὧν ὑμεῖς ἐμοῦ ἀκούετε διαλεγομένου καὶ ἐμαυτὸν καὶ ἄλλους ἐξετάζοντος, ὁ δὲ ἀνεξέταστος βίος οὐ βιωτὸς ἀνθρώπῳ, ταῦτα δ᾽ ἔτι ἧττον πείσεσθέ μοι λέγοντι. τὰ δὲ ἔχει μὲν οὕτως, ὡς ἐγώ φημι, ὦ ἄνδρες, πείθειν δὲ οὐ ῥᾴδιον. καὶ ἐγὼ ἅμα οὐκ εἴθισμαι ἐμαυτὸν ἀξιοῦν κακοῦ
to lead a quiet [life], you will not believe me, [thinking that] I am dissembling: if indeed I were to say that this happens to the the greatest good to man, to make arguments each day concerning excellence and the other things concerning which you hear me conversing with myself also and even examining others, but the unexamined life [is] not worth living for a human, and these things still less you will be persuaded by me speaking. But they hold in this way, as I say, O men, but to persuade [you is] not easy. And at the same time, I am not accustomed to consider myself worthy of
[38β] οὐδενός. εἰ μὲν γὰρ ἦν μοι χρήματα, ἐτιμησάμην ἂν χρημάτων ὅσα ἔμελλον ἐκτείσειν, οὐδὲν γὰρ ἂν ἐβλάβην: νῦν δὲ οὐ γὰρ ἔστιν, εἰ μὴ ἄρα ὅσον ἂν ἐγὼ δυναίμην ἐκτεῖσαι, τοσούτου βούλεσθέ μοι τιμῆσαι. ἴσως δ᾽ ἂν δυναίμην ἐκτεῖσαι ὑμῖν που μνᾶν ἀργυρίου: τοσούτου οὖν τιμῶμαι.
Πλάτων δὲ ὅδε, ὦ ἄνδρες Ἀθηναῖοι, καὶ Κρίτων καὶ Κριτόβουλος καὶ Ἀπολλόδωρος κελεύουσί με τριάκοντα μνῶν τιμήσασθαι, αὐτοὶ δ᾽ ἐγγυᾶσθαι: τιμῶμαι οὖν τοσούτου, ἐγγυηταὶ δὲ ὑμῖν ἔσονται τοῦ ἀργυρίου οὗτοι ἀξιόχρεῳ.
anything evil. For if I had money, I would propose money as much as I intended to pay, for that would not harm me: but now it is not so, lest as much as I am able to pay, of this you wish to propose for me. And perhaps I would be able to pay about a mina of silver: so I propose this thing.
Plato here, O Athenian men, and Krito and Kritoboulos and Apollodoros urge me to propose thirty mina, and they to give [it] as pledge: so I propose this, and they will be sureties to you of silver in sufficiency.
So my life would be fine for me going away, a man at my time of life, to live exchanging one for another city and being driven out. For I know well that wherever I might go, the young me will listen to me speaking just like here, and if I drive them away, they themselves, persuading the elders, will drive me out:
[37ε] ἐὰν δὲ μὴ ἀπελαύνω, οἱ τούτων πατέρες δὲ καὶ οἰκεῖοι δι᾽ αὐτοὺς τούτους.
ἴσως οὖν ἄν τις εἴποι: ‘σιγῶν δὲ καὶ ἡσυχίαν ἄγων, ὦ Σώκρατες, οὐχ οἷός τ᾽ ἔσῃ ἡμῖν ἐξελθὼν ζῆν;’ τουτὶ δή ἐστι πάντων χαλεπώτατον πεῖσαί τινας ὑμῶν. ἐάντε γὰρ λέγω ὅτι τῷ θεῷ ἀπειθεῖν τοῦτ᾽ ἐστὶν καὶ διὰ τοῦτ᾽ ἀδύνατον
but if I should not drive them away, their fathers and relatives because of them these things [will do].
So perhaps someone might say: "But keeping silent and leading a quiet [life], O Socrates, are you not able to live, after going away from us?" Indeed this of all things is the hardest to persuade some of you [of]. For if I were to say that this is disobedience to the god and because of this [I am] unable
[38α] ἡσυχίαν ἄγειν, οὐ πείσεσθέ μοι ὡς εἰρωνευομένῳ: ἐάντ᾽ αὖ λέγω ὅτι καὶ τυγχάνει μέγιστον ἀγαθὸν ὂν ἀνθρώπῳ τοῦτο, ἑκάστης ἡμέρας περὶ ἀρετῆς τοὺς λόγους ποιεῖσθαι καὶ τῶν ἄλλων περὶ ὧν ὑμεῖς ἐμοῦ ἀκούετε διαλεγομένου καὶ ἐμαυτὸν καὶ ἄλλους ἐξετάζοντος, ὁ δὲ ἀνεξέταστος βίος οὐ βιωτὸς ἀνθρώπῳ, ταῦτα δ᾽ ἔτι ἧττον πείσεσθέ μοι λέγοντι. τὰ δὲ ἔχει μὲν οὕτως, ὡς ἐγώ φημι, ὦ ἄνδρες, πείθειν δὲ οὐ ῥᾴδιον. καὶ ἐγὼ ἅμα οὐκ εἴθισμαι ἐμαυτὸν ἀξιοῦν κακοῦ
to lead a quiet [life], you will not believe me, [thinking that] I am dissembling: if indeed I were to say that this happens to the the greatest good to man, to make arguments each day concerning excellence and the other things concerning which you hear me conversing with myself also and even examining others, but the unexamined life [is] not worth living for a human, and these things still less you will be persuaded by me speaking. But they hold in this way, as I say, O men, but to persuade [you is] not easy. And at the same time, I am not accustomed to consider myself worthy of
[38β] οὐδενός. εἰ μὲν γὰρ ἦν μοι χρήματα, ἐτιμησάμην ἂν χρημάτων ὅσα ἔμελλον ἐκτείσειν, οὐδὲν γὰρ ἂν ἐβλάβην: νῦν δὲ οὐ γὰρ ἔστιν, εἰ μὴ ἄρα ὅσον ἂν ἐγὼ δυναίμην ἐκτεῖσαι, τοσούτου βούλεσθέ μοι τιμῆσαι. ἴσως δ᾽ ἂν δυναίμην ἐκτεῖσαι ὑμῖν που μνᾶν ἀργυρίου: τοσούτου οὖν τιμῶμαι.
Πλάτων δὲ ὅδε, ὦ ἄνδρες Ἀθηναῖοι, καὶ Κρίτων καὶ Κριτόβουλος καὶ Ἀπολλόδωρος κελεύουσί με τριάκοντα μνῶν τιμήσασθαι, αὐτοὶ δ᾽ ἐγγυᾶσθαι: τιμῶμαι οὖν τοσούτου, ἐγγυηταὶ δὲ ὑμῖν ἔσονται τοῦ ἀργυρίου οὗτοι ἀξιόχρεῳ.
anything evil. For if I had money, I would propose money as much as I intended to pay, for that would not harm me: but now it is not so, lest as much as I am able to pay, of this you wish to propose for me. And perhaps I would be able to pay about a mina of silver: so I propose this thing.
Plato here, O Athenian men, and Krito and Kritoboulos and Apollodoros urge me to propose thirty mina, and they to give [it] as pledge: so I propose this, and they will be sureties to you of silver in sufficiency.