hawkwing_lb: (Aveline is not amused)
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So I was thinking about maybe going to Readercon next year, if it turned out that the incoming funds gave me enough leeway to fly to Boston. People had told me it was awesome.

After this?

Nope. Definitely not conventioneering. My handful of experiences with Organised Fandom En Masse in the past have proved tremendously alienating. I've no intention of coupling that with a convention whose managing board can't even be arsed to explain why it isn't following its own stated policies on harrassment. (Zero-tolerance policies have their own problems, but a two-year ban isn't even a slap on the wrist. And zero-tolerance is the policy they have. Retroactive rewriting is not good.)

Which is sad, because flights to Boston are cheap, relatively speaking, and so many lovely people who I'd like to see live in the Americas and get together for conventions.

Maybe there should be an alternate party. In protest.

Date: 2012-07-27 11:19 pm (UTC)
boxofdelights: (Default)
From: [personal profile] boxofdelights
You might like Wiscon.

Date: 2012-07-28 01:06 am (UTC)
anne: (chi)
From: [personal profile] anne
Oh, it's worse than that: here's the official statement. http://readercon.livejournal.com/21805.html

Date: 2012-07-28 01:13 am (UTC)
anne: (Default)
From: [personal profile] anne
...you're OK with cheapo hotels, right, they don't have to be fancy? I'm thinking however many of us show up, sitting in a room talking about books might be fun. No programming unless we feel like it?

Date: 2012-07-28 01:25 am (UTC)
anne: (Default)
From: [personal profile] anne
That...might actually be something I could organize. Boston, or somewhere else? And when?

Date: 2012-07-28 01:40 am (UTC)
anne: (Default)
From: [personal profile] anne
More people read you, I think, though I could probably find some people from Ravelry.

Date: 2012-07-30 06:06 pm (UTC)
fadeaccompli: (Default)
From: [personal profile] fadeaccompli
I would totally fly to a mini-con of cool people in Boston over the summer, if such a thing occurred. Just saying.

Date: 2012-07-30 06:13 pm (UTC)
anne: (Default)
From: [personal profile] anne
Curiosity leads me to ask: in addition to or instead of 4th St?

Date: 2012-07-30 06:36 pm (UTC)
fadeaccompli: (Default)
From: [personal profile] fadeaccompli
In addition to, I think; it would depend on how close the two events were to each other, and who was going to be at each, and what else was going on during that summer financially and time-wise. But "in addition to" was what I had in mind.

Date: 2012-07-30 06:37 pm (UTC)
anne: (Default)
From: [personal profile] anne
That'll make a difference, then. ;-) I wonder how many other not-Readercons there are going to be...

Date: 2012-07-28 01:57 am (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
Aww, that sounds fun. Stupidly I live on the left coast.

Date: 2012-07-28 01:56 am (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
I could FEEL my blood presure spike when I read that. Sincerely. Oh my fucking God. It would have been better for them to just keep stonewalling and not say anything, rather than say THAT.

Date: 2012-07-28 02:02 am (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
It was....wow. As Nick Mamatas pointed out over on LJ in his response to that, so they assumed total intent on the part of the schizophrenic and banned him for life and the actual predator gets off because he said "Sorry" to the right people? Jeeeeeeeeeeeesus.

Date: 2012-07-28 01:59 am (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
Also man, I know rosefox loves Readercon, but I have to say she's doing her whole "If you love #readercon and disagree with the board's decision, pls consider volunteering to join the concom and help fix the con's problems" schtick at THE WORST TIME right now. Volunteers (especially probably female volunteers) shouldn't have to be the ones to fix this.

Gahhh.

Date: 2012-07-28 02:18 am (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
Well, there was also this exchange, which....yeah.

rosefox.livejournal.com/1763288.html

If this was "put on the agenda wiki" a week ago and this is the response just now....yeah. (And the baord's response is CLEARLY only because glvalentine made public the decision when they told her, and people were really upset about it, anyway. Otherwise it might just have kept on being on the agenda wiki....forever!) I mean, I really can understand someone not wanting to just walk away from their baby, but....yeah.

(Also I just think there's a big difference between....'where people treat one another with respect and courtesy' and 'appropriate consequences for repeated harassment.' I don't know.)
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Date: 2012-07-28 01:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hawkwing-lb.livejournal.com
Yeah, I'm not impressed.

Over on the DW side, we're mooting the idea of having a protest party instead of going to Readercon... (I did so want to go, since I'd heard nothing but reasonably good things until now.)

Date: 2012-07-28 05:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fadethecat.livejournal.com
*sets something on fire in protest*

God. I don't want to do that tired cynical "Oh, I'm not shocked" thing, but I'm sort of appalled at how unsurprised I am. BNF (who's not even all that fucking B from where I'm standing) does something and gets a slap on the wrist because, sheesh, it was just a misunderstanding, girls! It's so...typical of fandom. There are already people wailing that those who don't like this are lacking in compassion because, gee, you gotta give people a chance to grow and improve themselves and get better!

Date: 2012-07-28 01:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hawkwing-lb.livejournal.com
People can grow and improve themselves. If they violate standing policy, however, they should do their growing and improving in a different venue.

But fuck. I'm just pissed that once again, women get thrown to the wolves. I was thinking hopefully about going to Readercon this coming year.

Sigh. Maybe I will just have to visit Texas instead. :P

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