Plato, Apology, 19d-19e
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hawkwing_lb[19δ] μάρτυρας δὲ αὖ ὑμῶν τοὺς πολλοὺς παρέχομαι, καὶ ἀξιῶ ὑμᾶς ἀλλήλους διδάσκειν τε καὶ φράζειν, ὅσοι ἐμοῦ πώποτε ἀκηκόατε διαλεγομένου—πολλοὶ δὲ ὑμῶν οἱ τοιοῦτοί εἰσιν— φράζετε οὖν ἀλλήλοις εἰ πώποτε ἢ μικρὸν ἢ μέγα ἤκουσέ τις ὑμῶν ἐμοῦ περὶ τῶν τοιούτων διαλεγομένου, καὶ ἐκ τούτου γνώσεσθε ὅτι τοιαῦτ᾽ ἐστὶ καὶ τἆλλα περὶ ἐμοῦ ἃ οἱ πολλοὶ λέγουσιν.
ἀλλὰ γὰρ οὔτε τούτων οὐδέν ἐστιν, οὐδέ γ᾽ εἴ τινος ἀκηκόατε ὡς ἐγὼ παιδεύειν ἐπιχειρῶ ἀνθρώπους καὶ χρήματα
And moreover I'm furnishing many witnesses for you, and I'd require you to instruct and to point out to each other, as much ever yet as you've heard of my conversation - and many of you are of such a kind [ie, have listened to me speak] - so point out to each other if ever some one of you heard me conversing with respect to these things, either a little or a lot, and from this you'll know that of such a kind as this are the other things also which the many say about me.
But no one is of this kind, and if you have heard from someone that I try to train humans
[19ε] πράττομαι, οὐδὲ τοῦτο ἀληθές. ἐπεὶ καὶ τοῦτό γέ μοι δοκεῖ καλὸν εἶναι, εἴ τις οἷός τ᾽ εἴη παιδεύειν ἀνθρώπους ὥσπερ Γοργίας τε ὁ Λεοντῖνος καὶ Πρόδικος ὁ Κεῖος καὶ Ἱππίας ὁ Ἠλεῖος. τούτων γὰρ ἕκαστος, ὦ ἄνδρες, οἷός τ᾽ ἐστὶν ἰὼν εἰς ἑκάστην τῶν πόλεων τοὺς νέους—οἷς ἔξεστι τῶν ἑαυτῶν πολιτῶν προῖκα συνεῖναι ᾧ ἂν βούλωνται—τούτους πείθουσι
and I manage affairs, this is not true. Since this also seems to me to be good, if someone is able to teach people just like Gorgias and Leontinos and Prodikos the Keian and Hippias the Eleian. Each of these, O men, is able, upon going into each of the cities, persuade the young men - for whom it's possible among those of the cities themselves, to have dealings freely with whomever they desire.
Nine more sections to go by Tuesday. I will accomplish them later.
ἀλλὰ γὰρ οὔτε τούτων οὐδέν ἐστιν, οὐδέ γ᾽ εἴ τινος ἀκηκόατε ὡς ἐγὼ παιδεύειν ἐπιχειρῶ ἀνθρώπους καὶ χρήματα
And moreover I'm furnishing many witnesses for you, and I'd require you to instruct and to point out to each other, as much ever yet as you've heard of my conversation - and many of you are of such a kind [ie, have listened to me speak] - so point out to each other if ever some one of you heard me conversing with respect to these things, either a little or a lot, and from this you'll know that of such a kind as this are the other things also which the many say about me.
But no one is of this kind, and if you have heard from someone that I try to train humans
[19ε] πράττομαι, οὐδὲ τοῦτο ἀληθές. ἐπεὶ καὶ τοῦτό γέ μοι δοκεῖ καλὸν εἶναι, εἴ τις οἷός τ᾽ εἴη παιδεύειν ἀνθρώπους ὥσπερ Γοργίας τε ὁ Λεοντῖνος καὶ Πρόδικος ὁ Κεῖος καὶ Ἱππίας ὁ Ἠλεῖος. τούτων γὰρ ἕκαστος, ὦ ἄνδρες, οἷός τ᾽ ἐστὶν ἰὼν εἰς ἑκάστην τῶν πόλεων τοὺς νέους—οἷς ἔξεστι τῶν ἑαυτῶν πολιτῶν προῖκα συνεῖναι ᾧ ἂν βούλωνται—τούτους πείθουσι
and I manage affairs, this is not true. Since this also seems to me to be good, if someone is able to teach people just like Gorgias and Leontinos and Prodikos the Keian and Hippias the Eleian. Each of these, O men, is able, upon going into each of the cities, persuade the young men - for whom it's possible among those of the cities themselves, to have dealings freely with whomever they desire.
Nine more sections to go by Tuesday. I will accomplish them later.
