Plato, Apology, 23d-24a beginning
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hawkwing_lbMaking another run at the next section:
[23δ] καὶ λέγουσιν ὡς Σωκράτης τίς ἐστι μιαρώτατος καὶ διαφθείρει τοὺς νέους: καὶ ἐπειδάν τις αὐτοὺς ἐρωτᾷ ὅτι ποιῶν καὶ ὅτι διδάσκων, ἔχουσι μὲν οὐδὲν εἰπεῖν ἀλλ᾽ ἀγνοοῦσιν, ἵνα δὲ μὴ δοκῶσιν ἀπορεῖν, τὰ κατὰ πάντων τῶν φιλοσοφούντων πρόχειρα ταῦτα λέγουσιν, ὅτι ‘τὰ μετέωρα καὶ τὰ ὑπὸ γῆς’ καὶ ‘θεοὺς μὴ νομίζειν’ καὶ ‘τὸν ἥττω λόγον κρείττω ποιεῖν.’ τὰ γὰρ ἀληθῆ οἴομαι οὐκ ἂν ἐθέλοιεν λέγειν, ὅτι κατάδηλοι γίγνονται προσποιούμενοι μὲν εἰδέναι, εἰδότες δὲ οὐδέν. ἅτε οὖν οἶμαι φιλότιμοι
And they say that a certain Socrates is most polluted and that he is ruining the young men: and whenever someone asks them by doing what and by teaching what, they have nothing to say but they're ignorant, and so in order not to appear to be at a loss, they say these things convenient according to all those who teach philosophy, like "the heavenly things and the things under the earth" and "not to acknowledge the gods" and "to make the worse argument the better." For I think they may not be willing to speak the truth, that plainly those who lay claim to know things, are knowing nothing. So, seeing that I know they love honour
[23ε] ὄντες καὶ σφοδροὶ καὶ πολλοί, καὶ συντεταμένως καὶ πιθανῶς λέγοντες περὶ ἐμοῦ, ἐμπεπλήκασιν ὑμῶν τὰ ὦτα καὶ πάλαι καὶ σφοδρῶς διαβάλλοντες. ἐκ τούτων καὶ Μέλητός μοι ἐπέθετο καὶ Ἄνυτος καὶ Λύκων, Μέλητος μὲν ὑπὲρ τῶν ποιητῶν ἀχθόμενος, Ἄνυτος δὲ ὑπὲρ τῶν δημιουργῶν καὶ
excessively and greatly, and [I know] they speak vigorously and persuasively concerning me, your ears have been satisfied of old, [I know] they also slander me violently. And from this Meletos laid [the charge against] me, and Anytos, and Lykon, Meletos being grieved on behalf of the poets, and Anytos on behalf of the artisans and
[24α] τῶν πολιτικῶν, Λύκων δὲ ὑπὲρ τῶν ῥητόρων:
the politicians, and Lykon on behalf of the orators.
I'm stopping again for now, to wallow some more in self-pity and primeval slime. Maybe I will watch bad movies, or something. Or perhaps I will come back and bang my head against Greek some more, when there in food in the house and in my stomach.
[23δ] καὶ λέγουσιν ὡς Σωκράτης τίς ἐστι μιαρώτατος καὶ διαφθείρει τοὺς νέους: καὶ ἐπειδάν τις αὐτοὺς ἐρωτᾷ ὅτι ποιῶν καὶ ὅτι διδάσκων, ἔχουσι μὲν οὐδὲν εἰπεῖν ἀλλ᾽ ἀγνοοῦσιν, ἵνα δὲ μὴ δοκῶσιν ἀπορεῖν, τὰ κατὰ πάντων τῶν φιλοσοφούντων πρόχειρα ταῦτα λέγουσιν, ὅτι ‘τὰ μετέωρα καὶ τὰ ὑπὸ γῆς’ καὶ ‘θεοὺς μὴ νομίζειν’ καὶ ‘τὸν ἥττω λόγον κρείττω ποιεῖν.’ τὰ γὰρ ἀληθῆ οἴομαι οὐκ ἂν ἐθέλοιεν λέγειν, ὅτι κατάδηλοι γίγνονται προσποιούμενοι μὲν εἰδέναι, εἰδότες δὲ οὐδέν. ἅτε οὖν οἶμαι φιλότιμοι
And they say that a certain Socrates is most polluted and that he is ruining the young men: and whenever someone asks them by doing what and by teaching what, they have nothing to say but they're ignorant, and so in order not to appear to be at a loss, they say these things convenient according to all those who teach philosophy, like "the heavenly things and the things under the earth" and "not to acknowledge the gods" and "to make the worse argument the better." For I think they may not be willing to speak the truth, that plainly those who lay claim to know things, are knowing nothing. So, seeing that I know they love honour
[23ε] ὄντες καὶ σφοδροὶ καὶ πολλοί, καὶ συντεταμένως καὶ πιθανῶς λέγοντες περὶ ἐμοῦ, ἐμπεπλήκασιν ὑμῶν τὰ ὦτα καὶ πάλαι καὶ σφοδρῶς διαβάλλοντες. ἐκ τούτων καὶ Μέλητός μοι ἐπέθετο καὶ Ἄνυτος καὶ Λύκων, Μέλητος μὲν ὑπὲρ τῶν ποιητῶν ἀχθόμενος, Ἄνυτος δὲ ὑπὲρ τῶν δημιουργῶν καὶ
excessively and greatly, and [I know] they speak vigorously and persuasively concerning me, your ears have been satisfied of old, [I know] they also slander me violently. And from this Meletos laid [the charge against] me, and Anytos, and Lykon, Meletos being grieved on behalf of the poets, and Anytos on behalf of the artisans and
[24α] τῶν πολιτικῶν, Λύκων δὲ ὑπὲρ τῶν ῥητόρων:
the politicians, and Lykon on behalf of the orators.
I'm stopping again for now, to wallow some more in self-pity and primeval slime. Maybe I will watch bad movies, or something. Or perhaps I will come back and bang my head against Greek some more, when there in food in the house and in my stomach.
