Plato, Apology, 35a 35b mid
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hawkwing_lb[35α] εἰ οὖν ὑμῶν οἱ δοκοῦντες διαφέρειν εἴτε σοφίᾳ εἴτε ἀνδρείᾳ εἴτε ἄλλῃ ᾑτινιοῦν ἀρετῇ τοιοῦτοι ἔσονται, αἰσχρὸν ἂν εἴη: οἵουσπερ ἐγὼ πολλάκις ἑώρακά τινας ὅταν κρίνωνται, δοκοῦντας μέν τι εἶναι, θαυμάσια δὲ ἐργαζομένους, ὡς δεινόν τι οἰομένους πείσεσθαι εἰ ἀποθανοῦνται, ὥσπερ ἀθανάτων ἐσομένων ἂν ὑμεῖς αὐτοὺς μὴ ἀποκτείνητε: οἳ ἐμοὶ δοκοῦσιν αἰσχύνην τῇ πόλει περιάπτειν, ὥστ᾽ ἄν τινα καὶ τῶν ξένων
So if the ones of you seeming to be superior either in wisdom or in manliness or in any other excellence which [is] of this kind, were to be [like this], it would be shameful: such as if I had often seen certain ones, whenever they were being judged, while they seemed to be something [worthy], working strange things, as if they believed they would suffer something terrible if there were to die, as though they would be immortal if you did not kill them: they seem to me to attach shame to the city, so that also one of the foreigners might
[35β] ὑπολαβεῖν ὅτι οἱ διαφέροντες Ἀθηναίων εἰς ἀρετήν, οὓς αὐτοὶ ἑαυτῶν ἔν τε ταῖς ἀρχαῖς καὶ ταῖς ἄλλαις τιμαῖς προκρίνουσιν, οὗτοι γυναικῶν οὐδὲν διαφέρουσιν. ταῦτα γάρ, ὦ ἄνδρες Ἀθηναῖοι, οὔτε ὑμᾶς χρὴ ποιεῖν τοὺς δοκοῦντας καὶ ὁπῃοῦν τι εἶναι, οὔτ᾽, ἂν ἡμεῖς ποιῶμεν, ὑμᾶς ἐπιτρέπειν, ἀλλὰ τοῦτο αὐτὸ ἐνδείκνυσθαι, ὅτι πολὺ μᾶλλον καταψηφιεῖσθε τοῦ τὰ ἐλεινὰ ταῦτα δράματα εἰσάγοντος καὶ καταγέλαστον τὴν πόλιν ποιοῦντος ἢ τοῦ ἡσυχίαν ἄγοντος.
suppose that the superior ones among the Athenians, in excellence, who they themselves in the offices and the other honours prefer before others, they are not any superior to women. For with respect to these things, O Athenian men, it is necessary for you neither to make/do the ones seeming [good], and by which to be something, neither, if we do, to refer to you, but to demonstrate this itself, that more indeed you would vote down the one who brings these pitiable acts and who makes the city mockable than the one who comes in silence.
So if the ones of you seeming to be superior either in wisdom or in manliness or in any other excellence which [is] of this kind, were to be [like this], it would be shameful: such as if I had often seen certain ones, whenever they were being judged, while they seemed to be something [worthy], working strange things, as if they believed they would suffer something terrible if there were to die, as though they would be immortal if you did not kill them: they seem to me to attach shame to the city, so that also one of the foreigners might
[35β] ὑπολαβεῖν ὅτι οἱ διαφέροντες Ἀθηναίων εἰς ἀρετήν, οὓς αὐτοὶ ἑαυτῶν ἔν τε ταῖς ἀρχαῖς καὶ ταῖς ἄλλαις τιμαῖς προκρίνουσιν, οὗτοι γυναικῶν οὐδὲν διαφέρουσιν. ταῦτα γάρ, ὦ ἄνδρες Ἀθηναῖοι, οὔτε ὑμᾶς χρὴ ποιεῖν τοὺς δοκοῦντας καὶ ὁπῃοῦν τι εἶναι, οὔτ᾽, ἂν ἡμεῖς ποιῶμεν, ὑμᾶς ἐπιτρέπειν, ἀλλὰ τοῦτο αὐτὸ ἐνδείκνυσθαι, ὅτι πολὺ μᾶλλον καταψηφιεῖσθε τοῦ τὰ ἐλεινὰ ταῦτα δράματα εἰσάγοντος καὶ καταγέλαστον τὴν πόλιν ποιοῦντος ἢ τοῦ ἡσυχίαν ἄγοντος.
suppose that the superior ones among the Athenians, in excellence, who they themselves in the offices and the other honours prefer before others, they are not any superior to women. For with respect to these things, O Athenian men, it is necessary for you neither to make/do the ones seeming [good], and by which to be something, neither, if we do, to refer to you, but to demonstrate this itself, that more indeed you would vote down the one who brings these pitiable acts and who makes the city mockable than the one who comes in silence.
