Plato, Apology, 35e-37b
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hawkwing_lb[35ε]
τὸ μὲν μὴ ἀγανακτεῖν, ὦ ἄνδρες Ἀθηναῖοι, ἐπὶ τούτῳ
One should not be irritated, O Athenian men, on account of this
[36α] τῷ γεγονότι, ὅτι μου κατεψηφίσασθε, ἄλλα τέ μοι πολλὰ συμβάλλεται, καὶ οὐκ ἀνέλπιστόν μοι γέγονεν τὸ γεγονὸς τοῦτο, ἀλλὰ πολὺ μᾶλλον θαυμάζω ἑκατέρων τῶν ψήφων τὸν γεγονότα ἀριθμόν. οὐ γὰρ ᾠόμην ἔγωγε οὕτω παρ᾽ ὀλίγον ἔσεσθαι ἀλλὰ παρὰ πολύ: νῦν δέ, ὡς ἔοικεν, εἰ τριάκοντα μόναι μετέπεσον τῶν ψήφων, ἀπεπεφεύγη ἄν. Μέλητον μὲν οὖν, ὡς ἐμοὶ δοκῶ, καὶ νῦν ἀποπέφευγα, καὶ οὐ μόνον ἀποπέφευγα, ἀλλὰ παντὶ δῆλον τοῦτό γε, ὅτι εἰ μὴ ἀνέβη Ἄνυτος καὶ Λύκων κατηγορήσοντες ἐμοῦ, κἂν ὦφλε
occurrence, that you voted to condemn me, but for me many things come together, and not unexpected by me this happening has happened, but indeed I marvel greatly at the number of votes for each. For I did not imagine in this way so few for it to be but a great many: and now, as it seems, if only thirty of the votes had fallen differently, I would be safe away. Therefore with respect to Meletos, as I think, even now I've got away free, and not only have I got away, but to all people this is clear, that if Anytos and Lykon did not come up accusing me, he'd even be liable to pay a fine
[36β] χιλίας δραχμάς, οὐ μεταλαβὼν τὸ πέμπτον μέρος τῶν ψήφων.
τιμᾶται δ᾽ οὖν μοι ὁ ἀνὴρ θανάτου. εἶεν: ἐγὼ δὲ δὴ τίνος ὑμῖν ἀντιτιμήσομαι, ὦ ἄνδρες Ἀθηναῖοι; ἢ δῆλον ὅτι τῆς ἀξίας; τί οὖν; τί ἄξιός εἰμι παθεῖν ἢ ἀποτεῖσαι, ὅτι μαθὼν ἐν τῷ βίῳ οὐχ ἡσυχίαν ἦγον, ἀλλ᾽ ἀμελήσας ὧνπερ οἱ πολλοί, χρηματισμοῦ τε καὶ οἰκονομίας καὶ στρατηγιῶν καὶ δημηγοριῶν καὶ τῶν ἄλλων ἀρχῶν καὶ συνωμοσιῶν καὶ στάσεων τῶν ἐν τῇ πόλει γιγνομένων, ἡγησάμενος ἐμαυτὸν
of a thousand drachma, not having the fifth share of the votes.
And therefore the man proposes for me the punishment of death. May it be so: I, indeed, can fix what as a counter-estimate for you, O Athenian men? Is it clear that it's my due? What am I worthy to suffer or to pay back, that because of learning in life, I did not pass quietly, but not caring about that which the many [care about], money and property and generalship and public speech and the other offices and conspiracies and factions which come to exist in the city, supposing myself
[36ξ] τῷ ὄντι ἐπιεικέστερον εἶναι ἢ ὥστε εἰς ταῦτ᾽ ἰόντα σῴζεσθαι, ἐνταῦθα μὲν οὐκ ᾖα οἷ ἐλθὼν μήτε ὑμῖν μήτε ἐμαυτῷ ἔμελλον μηδὲν ὄφελος εἶναι, ἐπὶ δὲ τὸ ἰδίᾳ ἕκαστον ἰὼν εὐεργετεῖν τὴν μεγίστην εὐεργεσίαν, ὡς ἐγώ φημι, ἐνταῦθα ᾖα, ἐπιχειρῶν ἕκαστον ὑμῶν πείθειν μὴ πρότερον μήτε τῶν ἑαυτοῦ μηδενὸς ἐπιμελεῖσθαι πρὶν ἑαυτοῦ ἐπιμεληθείη ὅπως ὡς βέλτιστος καὶ φρονιμώτατος ἔσοιτο, μήτε τῶν τῆς πόλεως, πρὶν αὐτῆς τῆς πόλεως, τῶν τε ἄλλων οὕτω κατὰ τὸν
to be in reality more gentle than to preserve myself, coming into these things, and from there I did not go, going, to the thing is which neither to you nor to myself I was destined to be of any use, but going to each in private, to perform the best good services, as I say, from there I went, putting my hand to persuade each of you not to care for any one of his own things before he would care for himself in such manner as he should be best in himself and in his mind, nor [to care for] the things of the city, before the city itself, and for other things thus following/after
[36δ] αὐτὸν τρόπον ἐπιμελεῖσθαι—τί οὖν εἰμι ἄξιος παθεῖν τοιοῦτος ὤν; ἀγαθόν τι, ὦ ἄνδρες Ἀθηναῖοι, εἰ δεῖ γε κατὰ τὴν ἀξίαν τῇ ἀληθείᾳ τιμᾶσθαι: καὶ ταῦτά γε ἀγαθὸν τοιοῦτον ὅτι ἂν πρέποι ἐμοί. τί οὖν πρέπει ἀνδρὶ πένητι εὐεργέτῃ δεομένῳ ἄγειν σχολὴν ἐπὶ τῇ ὑμετέρᾳ παρακελεύσει; οὐκ ἔσθ᾽ ὅτι μᾶλλον, ὦ ἄνδρες Ἀθηναῖοι, πρέπει οὕτως ὡς τὸν τοιοῦτον ἄνδρα ἐν πρυτανείῳ σιτεῖσθαι, πολύ γε μᾶλλον ἢ εἴ τις ὑμῶν ἵππῳ ἢ συνωρίδι ἢ ζεύγει νενίκηκεν Ὀλυμπίασιν: ὁ μὲν γὰρ ὑμᾶς ποιεῖ εὐδαίμονας δοκεῖν εἶναι, ἐγὼ δὲ
to care in the same way - so what am I worthy to suffer, since I'm of such kind? Something good, O Athenian men, if indeed it's necessary according to my desserts in truth to propose a punishment: and these things [ought to be] good of such kind that would be fitting for me. So what is fitting for a poor man who does good needing to bring leisure to exhort on your account? Would it not be that indeed, O Athenian men, it is fitting thus that a man of such kind should eat in the prytany, more [fitting] indded than if one of you in the horse or in the two-horse or in the yoke has had victory at Olympia: for he makes you to seem to be fortunate, while I
[36ε] εἶναι, καὶ ὁ μὲν τροφῆς οὐδὲν δεῖται, ἐγὼ δὲ δέομαι. εἰ οὖν δεῖ με κατὰ τὸ δίκαιον τῆς ἀξίας τιμᾶσθαι, τούτου
[make you fortunate] in fact, and he does not lack any nourishment, while I lack it. If therefore it is necessary for me according to the law to propose a worthy punishment,
[37α] τιμῶμαι, ἐν πρυτανείῳ σιτήσεως.
ἴσως οὖν ὑμῖν καὶ ταυτὶ λέγων παραπλησίως δοκῶ λέγειν ὥσπερ περὶ τοῦ οἴκτου καὶ τῆς ἀντιβολήσεως, ἀπαυθαδιζόμενος: τὸ δὲ οὐκ ἔστιν, ὦ ἄνδρες Ἀθηναῖοι, τοιοῦτον ἀλλὰ τοιόνδε μᾶλλον. πέπεισμαι ἐγὼ ἑκὼν εἶναι μηδένα ἀδικεῖν ἀνθρώπων, ἀλλὰ ὑμᾶς τοῦτο οὐ πείθω: ὀλίγον γὰρ χρόνον ἀλλήλοις διειλέγμεθα. ἐπεί, ὡς ἐγᾦμαι, εἰ ἦν ὑμῖν νόμος, ὥσπερ καὶ ἄλλοις ἀνθρώποις, περὶ θανάτου μὴ μίαν ἡμέραν
I propose this, public maintenance in the prytany.
Therefore perhaps to you even by saying suchlike these things I seem to speak just like concerning pity and entreaty, speaking boldly: this is not, O Athenian men, of such a kind but indeed a different kind. I have been persuaded willingly to have done wrong to no man, but I did not persuade you with regard to this: for we reckoned with each other for a little time. Since, as I believe, if you had a law, like some other men have, concerning death not in one day
[37β] μόνον κρίνειν ἀλλὰ πολλάς, ἐπείσθητε ἄν: νῦν δ᾽ οὐ ῥᾴδιον ἐν χρόνῳ ὀλίγῳ μεγάλας διαβολὰς ἀπολύεσθαι. πεπεισμένος δὴ ἐγὼ μηδένα ἀδικεῖν πολλοῦ δέω ἐμαυτόν γε ἀδικήσειν καὶ κατ᾽ ἐμαυτοῦ ἐρεῖν αὐτὸς ὡς ἄξιός εἰμί του κακοῦ καὶ τιμήσεσθαι τοιούτου τινὸς ἐμαυτῷ. τί δείσας; ἦ μὴ πάθω τοῦτο οὗ Μέλητός μοι τιμᾶται, ὅ φημι οὐκ εἰδέναι οὔτ᾽ εἰ ἀγαθὸν οὔτ᾽ εἰ κακόν ἐστιν; ἀντὶ τούτου δὴ ἕλωμαι ὧν εὖ οἶδά τι κακῶν ὄντων τούτου τιμησάμενος; πότερον δεσμοῦ;
only to judge, but several, you would be persuaded: but now it is not easy in a short time to dispel great slander. And I being convinced I did wrong to no one, I lack much indeed to intend to wrong myself and against myself say myself that I am worthy of something bad and propose some judgement of this kind for myself. Fearing what [should I]? Lest I suffer that which Meletos propose for me, which I say that I don't know whether it may be good or evil? Over against this should I choose that which I know well is something bad, intending to propose this? Or propose imprisonment?
τὸ μὲν μὴ ἀγανακτεῖν, ὦ ἄνδρες Ἀθηναῖοι, ἐπὶ τούτῳ
One should not be irritated, O Athenian men, on account of this
[36α] τῷ γεγονότι, ὅτι μου κατεψηφίσασθε, ἄλλα τέ μοι πολλὰ συμβάλλεται, καὶ οὐκ ἀνέλπιστόν μοι γέγονεν τὸ γεγονὸς τοῦτο, ἀλλὰ πολὺ μᾶλλον θαυμάζω ἑκατέρων τῶν ψήφων τὸν γεγονότα ἀριθμόν. οὐ γὰρ ᾠόμην ἔγωγε οὕτω παρ᾽ ὀλίγον ἔσεσθαι ἀλλὰ παρὰ πολύ: νῦν δέ, ὡς ἔοικεν, εἰ τριάκοντα μόναι μετέπεσον τῶν ψήφων, ἀπεπεφεύγη ἄν. Μέλητον μὲν οὖν, ὡς ἐμοὶ δοκῶ, καὶ νῦν ἀποπέφευγα, καὶ οὐ μόνον ἀποπέφευγα, ἀλλὰ παντὶ δῆλον τοῦτό γε, ὅτι εἰ μὴ ἀνέβη Ἄνυτος καὶ Λύκων κατηγορήσοντες ἐμοῦ, κἂν ὦφλε
occurrence, that you voted to condemn me, but for me many things come together, and not unexpected by me this happening has happened, but indeed I marvel greatly at the number of votes for each. For I did not imagine in this way so few for it to be but a great many: and now, as it seems, if only thirty of the votes had fallen differently, I would be safe away. Therefore with respect to Meletos, as I think, even now I've got away free, and not only have I got away, but to all people this is clear, that if Anytos and Lykon did not come up accusing me, he'd even be liable to pay a fine
[36β] χιλίας δραχμάς, οὐ μεταλαβὼν τὸ πέμπτον μέρος τῶν ψήφων.
τιμᾶται δ᾽ οὖν μοι ὁ ἀνὴρ θανάτου. εἶεν: ἐγὼ δὲ δὴ τίνος ὑμῖν ἀντιτιμήσομαι, ὦ ἄνδρες Ἀθηναῖοι; ἢ δῆλον ὅτι τῆς ἀξίας; τί οὖν; τί ἄξιός εἰμι παθεῖν ἢ ἀποτεῖσαι, ὅτι μαθὼν ἐν τῷ βίῳ οὐχ ἡσυχίαν ἦγον, ἀλλ᾽ ἀμελήσας ὧνπερ οἱ πολλοί, χρηματισμοῦ τε καὶ οἰκονομίας καὶ στρατηγιῶν καὶ δημηγοριῶν καὶ τῶν ἄλλων ἀρχῶν καὶ συνωμοσιῶν καὶ στάσεων τῶν ἐν τῇ πόλει γιγνομένων, ἡγησάμενος ἐμαυτὸν
of a thousand drachma, not having the fifth share of the votes.
And therefore the man proposes for me the punishment of death. May it be so: I, indeed, can fix what as a counter-estimate for you, O Athenian men? Is it clear that it's my due? What am I worthy to suffer or to pay back, that because of learning in life, I did not pass quietly, but not caring about that which the many [care about], money and property and generalship and public speech and the other offices and conspiracies and factions which come to exist in the city, supposing myself
[36ξ] τῷ ὄντι ἐπιεικέστερον εἶναι ἢ ὥστε εἰς ταῦτ᾽ ἰόντα σῴζεσθαι, ἐνταῦθα μὲν οὐκ ᾖα οἷ ἐλθὼν μήτε ὑμῖν μήτε ἐμαυτῷ ἔμελλον μηδὲν ὄφελος εἶναι, ἐπὶ δὲ τὸ ἰδίᾳ ἕκαστον ἰὼν εὐεργετεῖν τὴν μεγίστην εὐεργεσίαν, ὡς ἐγώ φημι, ἐνταῦθα ᾖα, ἐπιχειρῶν ἕκαστον ὑμῶν πείθειν μὴ πρότερον μήτε τῶν ἑαυτοῦ μηδενὸς ἐπιμελεῖσθαι πρὶν ἑαυτοῦ ἐπιμεληθείη ὅπως ὡς βέλτιστος καὶ φρονιμώτατος ἔσοιτο, μήτε τῶν τῆς πόλεως, πρὶν αὐτῆς τῆς πόλεως, τῶν τε ἄλλων οὕτω κατὰ τὸν
to be in reality more gentle than to preserve myself, coming into these things, and from there I did not go, going, to the thing is which neither to you nor to myself I was destined to be of any use, but going to each in private, to perform the best good services, as I say, from there I went, putting my hand to persuade each of you not to care for any one of his own things before he would care for himself in such manner as he should be best in himself and in his mind, nor [to care for] the things of the city, before the city itself, and for other things thus following/after
[36δ] αὐτὸν τρόπον ἐπιμελεῖσθαι—τί οὖν εἰμι ἄξιος παθεῖν τοιοῦτος ὤν; ἀγαθόν τι, ὦ ἄνδρες Ἀθηναῖοι, εἰ δεῖ γε κατὰ τὴν ἀξίαν τῇ ἀληθείᾳ τιμᾶσθαι: καὶ ταῦτά γε ἀγαθὸν τοιοῦτον ὅτι ἂν πρέποι ἐμοί. τί οὖν πρέπει ἀνδρὶ πένητι εὐεργέτῃ δεομένῳ ἄγειν σχολὴν ἐπὶ τῇ ὑμετέρᾳ παρακελεύσει; οὐκ ἔσθ᾽ ὅτι μᾶλλον, ὦ ἄνδρες Ἀθηναῖοι, πρέπει οὕτως ὡς τὸν τοιοῦτον ἄνδρα ἐν πρυτανείῳ σιτεῖσθαι, πολύ γε μᾶλλον ἢ εἴ τις ὑμῶν ἵππῳ ἢ συνωρίδι ἢ ζεύγει νενίκηκεν Ὀλυμπίασιν: ὁ μὲν γὰρ ὑμᾶς ποιεῖ εὐδαίμονας δοκεῖν εἶναι, ἐγὼ δὲ
to care in the same way - so what am I worthy to suffer, since I'm of such kind? Something good, O Athenian men, if indeed it's necessary according to my desserts in truth to propose a punishment: and these things [ought to be] good of such kind that would be fitting for me. So what is fitting for a poor man who does good needing to bring leisure to exhort on your account? Would it not be that indeed, O Athenian men, it is fitting thus that a man of such kind should eat in the prytany, more [fitting] indded than if one of you in the horse or in the two-horse or in the yoke has had victory at Olympia: for he makes you to seem to be fortunate, while I
[36ε] εἶναι, καὶ ὁ μὲν τροφῆς οὐδὲν δεῖται, ἐγὼ δὲ δέομαι. εἰ οὖν δεῖ με κατὰ τὸ δίκαιον τῆς ἀξίας τιμᾶσθαι, τούτου
[make you fortunate] in fact, and he does not lack any nourishment, while I lack it. If therefore it is necessary for me according to the law to propose a worthy punishment,
[37α] τιμῶμαι, ἐν πρυτανείῳ σιτήσεως.
ἴσως οὖν ὑμῖν καὶ ταυτὶ λέγων παραπλησίως δοκῶ λέγειν ὥσπερ περὶ τοῦ οἴκτου καὶ τῆς ἀντιβολήσεως, ἀπαυθαδιζόμενος: τὸ δὲ οὐκ ἔστιν, ὦ ἄνδρες Ἀθηναῖοι, τοιοῦτον ἀλλὰ τοιόνδε μᾶλλον. πέπεισμαι ἐγὼ ἑκὼν εἶναι μηδένα ἀδικεῖν ἀνθρώπων, ἀλλὰ ὑμᾶς τοῦτο οὐ πείθω: ὀλίγον γὰρ χρόνον ἀλλήλοις διειλέγμεθα. ἐπεί, ὡς ἐγᾦμαι, εἰ ἦν ὑμῖν νόμος, ὥσπερ καὶ ἄλλοις ἀνθρώποις, περὶ θανάτου μὴ μίαν ἡμέραν
I propose this, public maintenance in the prytany.
Therefore perhaps to you even by saying suchlike these things I seem to speak just like concerning pity and entreaty, speaking boldly: this is not, O Athenian men, of such a kind but indeed a different kind. I have been persuaded willingly to have done wrong to no man, but I did not persuade you with regard to this: for we reckoned with each other for a little time. Since, as I believe, if you had a law, like some other men have, concerning death not in one day
[37β] μόνον κρίνειν ἀλλὰ πολλάς, ἐπείσθητε ἄν: νῦν δ᾽ οὐ ῥᾴδιον ἐν χρόνῳ ὀλίγῳ μεγάλας διαβολὰς ἀπολύεσθαι. πεπεισμένος δὴ ἐγὼ μηδένα ἀδικεῖν πολλοῦ δέω ἐμαυτόν γε ἀδικήσειν καὶ κατ᾽ ἐμαυτοῦ ἐρεῖν αὐτὸς ὡς ἄξιός εἰμί του κακοῦ καὶ τιμήσεσθαι τοιούτου τινὸς ἐμαυτῷ. τί δείσας; ἦ μὴ πάθω τοῦτο οὗ Μέλητός μοι τιμᾶται, ὅ φημι οὐκ εἰδέναι οὔτ᾽ εἰ ἀγαθὸν οὔτ᾽ εἰ κακόν ἐστιν; ἀντὶ τούτου δὴ ἕλωμαι ὧν εὖ οἶδά τι κακῶν ὄντων τούτου τιμησάμενος; πότερον δεσμοῦ;
only to judge, but several, you would be persuaded: but now it is not easy in a short time to dispel great slander. And I being convinced I did wrong to no one, I lack much indeed to intend to wrong myself and against myself say myself that I am worthy of something bad and propose some judgement of this kind for myself. Fearing what [should I]? Lest I suffer that which Meletos propose for me, which I say that I don't know whether it may be good or evil? Over against this should I choose that which I know well is something bad, intending to propose this? Or propose imprisonment?
